ID Theft

Do you REALLY think ILLEGALS are law abiding? (this is a non-racial issue, just about law)?

Maybe the deceived people who support illegals here could get a grip if they saw it laid out like this: 1. They know it is a crime to come here without the permission, so they sneak in. crime #1 2. They cannot leglly work. they get jobs crime #2 3. They do not pay taxes into a federally mandated program that is designated for each individual worker crime #3 4. Some use fake ID and social SS#.. crime #4, #5 5. Some use REAL SS#'s and adopt other REAL person's IDENTITY. Crimes #6 & #7 6. Drive without licenses, insurance, without valid plates. Crimes #8, 9, &10 7. Give false names when arrested. Crime #11 8. defraud emergency rooms with false names or receive service with no intention of paying, due to the inability really find out who they were CRIME #12 9. Assist other illegals by finding jobs, residences, aquireing fake ID & SS#, Helping other illegals to cross the border, either financially or putting them in contact with 'coyotes' all this=conspiracy CRIMES #13-19 Of course, most of the listed infraction are relating to the same thing, but it is so with any criminal activity: Drugs- Importation, intent to distribute, distribution, conspiracy, possession of a controlled sustance Murder- murder, attempted murder, attempt to do great bodily harm, assault, assault with a deadly weapon. Most serious crimes are not just the one individual act. They are supported by many other illegal acts as well I forgot to list forgery in the first area, as I ran out of time crime #20! Well, Dd, I can truthfully answer your question. I live, LEGALLY, in Mexico right now. I am building a business that will help the economy by lowering prices for small businesses and I plan on taking this business national here. I plan on paying a very good wage to my workers and I educate everyone that I can talk to about the reasons to NOT go to the US, ILLEGALLY! What you do not understand, because you bought into the we are starving lie is that they do not come to the USA for a way to stop their families from dieing, they actually come here so they can be RICH in their homelands. You should see all the booming sales of Cadilac, BMW, Mercedes, and HUMMER sales down here, openly bragged about that it was bought with onies gained while being illegal in the USA! YOU WILL NOT READ OR HEAR THIS IN THE US MEDIA! If any of you do not believe it, come and see for yourself. for every 1 that claims poverty, there are 50 that have no such claim! fmfaris, I see so if we had not had immigration laws then the current illegals would not even have come here? our laws FORCED THEM TO COME HERE. get a grip! and as for the idea that our bill of rights extends to other nations and peoples, you are in serious error on any basis, legal and moral! the UNITED STATES Constitution is the governing law of the UNITED STATES, you see, we do not run the whole of planet earth! As for expatriation, Do you undeerstand the word? it means that anyone can renounce his citizenship! that does not include his ability (again, legally or morally) to force another government to adopt him read "a man without a country"! and know what you are talking about before you look so foolish again! against what RACE exactly robert? and what proof do you offer to support your assertions that the majority of them live law abiding lives? do you know the majority of 'them'? is 'illegal alien' a 'race' now? I know for a fact that what I wrote is true as my experience as a government worker showed me and knowing a large number of illegals (and YES I reported many) telling lies, no matter how often you do it, will not turn them into truth! "And remember this country would have not been as it is today if the government many years ago would have not brought in illegally slaves from Africa." ? Are you joking? you mean that we would all be in 1492 huts and cabins if it were not for slaves? slaves did not do construction, by and large, they were used as farm animals (I AM NOT SAYING THEY WERE ANIMALS, I AM MERELY RECOGNIZING WHAT THE SITUATION WAS AT THAT TIME). as stated this is not a racial issue as 'illegal alien" is not a race!

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1. Let's turn this around, if you were living in extreme poverty in the USA and you knew you could earn 10 times as much working illegally in Mexico, and finally be able to support your family, what would you do?
2. yes i do, you should see them at high schools infact... answer one of my questions..
3. Number 8 is a mute point. Everybody is entitled to health care regardless of ability to pay. On all of the other counts, guilty as charged. Lets throw in all of the lesser included offenses as well.
4. I think we need to deport all the illegals and then, if they want to come back, then give those ones the chance to come back legally first. If they don't want to come back legally, then hell with them. If things were the other way around, and we were trying to do this crap in their country, they'd start screaming in a heart beat that "the rich white man" is trying to take over... when really... that's what they're trying to do here.
5. You answered your own question and answered it well, I might add. They are criminals pure and simple.
6. Would you support overhauling the state labor boards in all 50 states to see to it that only persons lawfully authorized to work in the 50 states can find employment? That means hiring more cops, sending out notifications to ALL employers(which wouldn't be THAT hard), basically getting the word on the street that there will be a huge press to get people out of jobsites they don't legally have a right to be in. Employers will bitch and cry and moan, because they'll have to find replacement employees. The economists will bitch and cry and moan because they've always felt that residency requirements and citizenship to hold employment are counter-productive. I'm for border enforcement, as a first step. I think it's feasible and necessary, at this point, to re-invoke the territorial demarcation between the United States, and Mexico. Make it a stony BITCH for people to enter the US illegally, and put the mexican government on notice that they're going to have to start helping foot the bill for enforcement costs. When Mexico starts realizing that their systematic efforts to circumnavigate the US legal system is going to end up costing them more than it's worth, they'll start re-focusing on how to best support themselves. No american can go to Mexico and get on welfare, no american can go to mexico and demand to be employed regardless of their legal status in Mexico, no american can go to mexico and run for public office. Only the US has been sooooo liberal for so long, now to the point where we're seeing our kindness be systematically abused. Well, when kindness is abused, you stop extending it. Our country's already well on its' way to becoming a socialist wonderland, where people don't feel any compulsion to find a day job 'because the government will pay for it'. Our country's also in Serious Debt. There's a connection between the two conditions, in my view.
7. JUST BECAUSE SOMETHING IS A LAW DOES NOT MAKE IT A VALID LAW. OWNERSHIP OF SLAVES WAS ONCE AN EVIL LAW. Prohibition of liquor and beer sales was once a bad law. Absolutely prohibiting IMMIGRANTS from Aisa WAS ONCE AN EVIL LAW, now there is still a small quota which still prohibits immigrants. The violation of an invalid bad law is not a crime. IT IS A VIOLATION OF THE IDEA OF OUR CONSTITUTION to require honest healthy workers permission to enter. All those law items stated are violated because OUR laws force them to violate these. Just as the prohibition of acohol forced Americans to break the law to drink. We make it illegal for foreigners to work. There is a prohibition on immigration and migration into the US. There is no legal method to enter the US, only small quotas. There are no lower level work visas. There are very few higher level work visas. There are few green cards granted after a wait of decades. It is not rational to expect an ambitious person to wait years to enter to work and to live in the US. OUR IMMIGRATION LAWS SHOULD BE REPEALED. Many of your items especially 1, 2, 6, and 9 actually violate individual rights- the Bill of Rights- which apply to ALL men and women in the US, foreign and native, citizen or non-citizen, undocumented/illegal or green card holder. JEFFERSON TALKS OF EXPATRIATION AS TO ENABLE FOREIGNERS TO BECOME US CITIZENS (Previous British subjects, and others). It is a first step of naturalization! There is no other purpose in this context. "Early in the session of May, [17]79, I prepared, and obtained leave to bring in a bill, declaring who should be DEEMED CITIZENS, asserting the natural right of expatriation, and prescribing the mode of exercising it." Thomas Jefferson "I hold the right of expatriation to be inherent in every man by the laws of nature, and incapable of being rightfully taken from him even by the united will of every other person in the nation. If the laws have provided no particular mode by which the right of expatriation may be exercised, the individual may do it by any effectual and unequivocal act or declaration." --Thomas Jefferson "My opinion on the right of expatriation has been so long ago as the year 1776 consigned to record in the act of the Virginia code, drawn by myself, recognizing the right expressly and prescribing the mode of exercising it. The evidence of this natural right, like that of our right to life, liberty, the use of our faculties, the pursuit of happiness, is not left to the… investigations of reason, but is impressed on the sense of every man. We do not claim these under the charters of kings or legislators, but under the King of Kings. If He has made it a LAW in the NATURE OF MAN to pursue his own happiness, HE HAS LEFT HIM FREE IN THE CHOICE OF PLACE as well as mode, and we may safely call on the whole body of English jurists to produce the map on which nature has traced for each individual the GEOGRAPHICAL LINE which she forbids him to cross in pursuit of happiness."- Thomas Jefferson "OUR COUNTRY IS OPEN TO ALL MEN, TO COME AND GO PEACEABLY, WHEN THEY CHOOSE." — Thomas Jefferson Jefferson's idea of EXPATRIATION is that ANY man who wanted to become a citizen of the US is could do so if he was willing to renounce the citizenship of his previous country! A free country does not require honest foreigners to have permission enter, it lets people in because they have a right to enter if they are honest, and if they are healthy. The Bill of Rights are based on natural laws which are universally applicable to all men and women, by the nature of man qua man. The Bill of Rights apply to all men and women in US jurisdiction, between US borders and influence, which means all illegals have the legal right of protection under the Bill of Rights if they are in the US. US property rights apply to foreigners, natives, everyone! Understand their meaning if you are able. IMMIGRANTS- HAVE ALWAYS BEEN SELF SUPPORTING. Anti -Immigration is Anti -American. "The Man Without a Country" is a fiction story of one whom said “Damn the United States! I wish I may never hear of the United States again!” he did not renounce his citizenship, his freedom was taken from him as punishment, since he was a US military officer who was acquainted with one officer tried for treason. It shows the importance of valuing the true by showing what could happen if you don't!
8. no ,or they would not be illegals.
9. those who come here illegaly are criminals. They take away from those who are here legally in many ways. What I don't understand is why the government is allowing this (and other things). When a lot of them protested in California (i think it was there) a short while ago, why didn't the governer send in the national guard to get rid of these people
10. The problem is that Mexico's government is corrupt, which is why people are poor in Mexico. Stay home. Don't come here. And if you're legal, what are you complaining about? You're right , quit believing everything you hear in the media. Or, DON'T HEAR the media saying ----> that every American wants a BIG fence and for illegals to stay home. Ever figure why the US Government sort of forgot about the amnesty legislation a couple of months ago? Because they know they won't be reelected if they passed it.
11. You say it's a non-racial issue-----wrong. Just reading all that you have written stinks with racism. You automatically assume that's what all illegals do. In fact, they do abide by the laws once here---the overwhelming majority of them. All of what you cited does come under one heading, yes, they are here illegally Take away that one valid point and what use of all the other stuff you wrote do you have------racism!
12. right on gokart121! If you check out the crime statistics in LA county, you will find you're answer. Americans are very passionate unlike the very people invading our country. This is why we Haven't handled this years ago. Also the American public has been made naive by our left wing press. Is there a law against raping a country? The Mexican people consider our border patrol a joke and an inconvenience! If the tables were turned we would be beaten imprisoned, and most likely killed, illegally crossing into Mexico! Their country would not allow such an onslaught and either should we. These people are still members of their country. They do not want to assimilate. They choose their language, their flag, etc etc etc. How many billions of dollars are sent back to their HOMES. Doesn't look like they want to be Americans to me! So yes this is a war crime in my book! Also around 60% of the MS13 gang are illegals.
13. Well in my point of view if Mexicans come here to work then i don't see any problems. They come here and make money and help in making buildings for business. And remember this country would have not been as it is today if the government many years ago would have not brought in illegally slaves from Africa.
14. NO! For the simple fact they are breaking the law to be here. Then use fake or stolen ID and SS#s to be here and use many other fake or stolen pieces of documentation to be here. All of these that I mentioned are against the law and breaking them makes one a criminal. Therefore, they are NOT law abiding. If they want to be here then they can do so legally like numerous others have. Being in extreme poverty or other such conditions does not make it right for one to go some place and break the law. If it did then we'd have Americans using that excuse to break the law. DEPORT ILLEGAL ALIENS ENGLISH ONLY IN AMERICA
15. You are really stupid. There are millions of people, who 've come LEGALLY to this country and have legal SSN,pay their taxes, but their visas have expired and they are counted as illlegals! You disgust me, idiot! I pay your medicare and your grandpa's wheelchair!
16. that was boreing. who cares about your laws i don't